Source: Prime Minister of Australia
CHRISTOPHER BROWN, CHAIR OF WESTERN SYDNEY LEADERSHIP DIALOGUE: Hey, boss.
< ANTHONY ALBANESE, PRIME MINISTER: Good to be here.
< BROWN: Welcome back. As I said, you were on this stage twelve months ago, and you promised the people of Macarthur you're not going to forget them. Your and my heroes, Gough Whitlam and Tom Uren, 50 something years ago, said Macarthur was the future of Australia, and put in a government agency, you've got other agencies now that are living up to that promise. You offered the State Government a billion dollars on corridor protection to kick that metro extension along to Oran Park and on to Campbelltown. Do you know where it's up to? Are they spending your money wisely? Or are we close to getting that train line?
< PRIME MINISTER: Our money is in the Budget, so it's available. New South Wales, of course, we do have – if you're starting Australia again, you might start with two levels of government, rather than three. But we do have three, and that means that the State Government is responsible for planning. One of the things that had happened there, unlike what's happened with the protection around Badgerys Creek, is that in some of the areas where you put along the corridor, housing being approved is just nuts, and so it's going to be more expensive than it would have been otherwise. But our funding is available. It makes absolute sense to connect up Macarthur with not just with the airport, but importantly with the high-quality jobs that will be there at Bradfield.
< BROWN: We spoke about high-quality jobs, and I have the great pleasure now of having served you three times on your Airport Committee, on the Moorebank Intermodal Board, and now on, Commonwealth rep on Bradfield. As I said, the infrastructure has been marvellous. What do you think of the concept of those, let's not call them City Deals, that's the last show, but a compact with a Premier on the economic development strategy? You can bring Austrade, your National Reconstruction Fund and Future Made in Australia together with what Minnsy could do with Investment New South Wales and others to go beyond the infrastructure provision and work together on an economic and jobs export strategy on a regional basis, whether it’s South East Queensland around the Olympics, South Australia around AUKUS, Western Sydney around the airport, metros, et cetera. Does that work in an inter-government sense?
< PRIME MINISTER: We're absolutely up for it, and it is happening in some areas. In Queensland –
< BROWN: Bradfield is a joint federal, I get that.
< PRIME MINISTER: Queensland, for example, is in South East Queensland with the Olympics. It's not that long away, 2032. And the Queensland Government, with our support, have cut through the bureaucracy, if you like, so the new stadium – at Victoria Park, I think it is – is underway. That was an example of fast tracking the planning. If you had allowed the sort of bureaucratic inertia, then the 2032 Olympics would have been held in 2062. And we needed to do that. In South Australia around Osborne, which is where the precinct is, where the SSN-AUKUS submarines will be built. There's an agreement with the South Australian Government. There's engagement with the university sector about training and skills. It's going gangbusters. In WA with Henderson and Stirling, where we're going to have from about a year's time, bit more than that, you'll have the first visitations of nuclear-powered submarines, and the rotation force going through. We're doing everything from building housing on-site, effectively, for people to be able to be there. The roads are being built. There's really fast tracking with the Cook Government and us there, so you can do it. In Bradfield, I don't see any reason why the Bradfield Authority, if you like – Jennifer and you – can't do agreements, and they're just basically stamped by the different levels of government to get things going. You're right, they should be able to appoint people to do deals. It shouldn't be complex, and we need the investment to happen. You and I have been around a little while, and one of the things that gives me enormous satisfaction is Moorebank Intermodal going and seeing how well it's operating. The airport here will be fantastic, and it's right that it is the first airport for Western Sydney, rather than just a second, rather than a build-on, an add-on of Mascot, and Mike was absolutely right about making sure that the key element there was breaking that nexus between Mascot and Badgerys Creek. And that didn't happen just by accident, either. That's good planning. It will be the best airport in Australia when it opens. On day one. There's no question about it.
< BROWN: And actually, the country's international gateway. We're not building Western Sydney’s airport, we're building Australia's next number one airport.
< PRIME MINISTER: And that is why, when I was in Singapore recently with Prime Minister Lawrence Wong, he's very excited. You know, Singapore's an example as well of, I think, Jennifer quoted or someone quoted me as saying, it might have been Ned – the best thing you can do for a region is an airport and a university. They're the two things that happen. The biggest multiplier, we know that that's the case. You look at the Singaporean economy. This is an island state. There is no reason whatsoever why it should have been as successful as it has been, except for a range of really big decisions that they made. The big decision they made, that everyone would speak English, would be their international language. Don’t underestimate how important that was, and potentially radical, you know, at the end of Malay Peninsula there. The decision to be a transport hub too, with the airport and with maritime was critical. Now there are, going back to the time that Mike was Secretary of my Department, there were four big things, Moorebank Intermodal and getting freight right, second Sydney Airport or Western Sydney International, a strategic fleet maritime to give us sovereignty and two months ago, or last month, we received the HMAS Kokoda. We now have the first of a strategic fleet to give us – we've seen what happens with maritime, with this closure of the Strait of Hormuz, et cetera, we need a domestic capacity, and the fourth is high speed rail.
< BROWN: We’ve opened up two fronts, airport and high-speed rail. Let's go to airport first.
< PRIME MINISTER: I spent a billion dollars here last year, but if –
< BROWN: I want to save you thirty this year.
< PRIME MINISTER: Thank goodness the Department of Finance aren't here, because you say, saving thirty, they would say, I think, we’re substantially in the red from the comments since I've been here.
< BROWN: They’d think Browny’s got form. On the airport, first, I said we're building Australia's next international gateway. The current owners and operators and tenants of Australia's main international gateway, they're going to say they’re excited by the growth of the little upstart of Badgerys Creek. I know that they're saying to government behind the scenes, if you go and make Western Sydney Airport open skies, we'll see you in court and we've got 12 months free run. I don't agree, but I get that. Could we not today say to Simon, in 12 months after it opens, this will be an open-skies airport, not an airport like Brisbane and Melbourne and Perth and Sydney controlled by the sort of bilaterals, but any bugger with a plane who wants to fly here because it's a startup, gets to do it. Could we now say 12 months after the opening it'll be open skies? Simon, fill your boot, get anybody you like going to come in, because we're a startup, and frankly, we're going to need a hand. It's going to start slow. Let's be honest. Why not give us the kicker of an open skies capacity to get everybody done?
< PRIME MINISTER: Well, with respect, Chris, that isn’t quite the way the air services agreements work. There are agreements between nation states, is what happens –
< BROWN: I thought Qantas was a nation state?
< PRIME MINISTER: Well, what we've already got is Air New Zealand, we've got Singapore, and I think that will be just the start. What will drive airlines to use Western Sydney International, funnily enough under this thing called capitalism, is the market. This is an enormous market. This is most Sydneysiders will live closer to Western Sydney than they live to Mascot. The experience of people who travel through Western Sydney International will ensure that every single passenger becomes an ambassador for the airport and for the experience, and our government, more than one way to skin a cat, we will be very much encouraging, as we have already, really encouraging airlines to use, including international airlines. Now, there's a reason why a national airline is important for nation states, because they're an arm of foreign policy and they connect up with a whole range of things, identity, etc. You look at Singapore, you look at the other ways that airlines operate, but within air services agreements as well, which just put a cap on how many flights a nation state we can have into an airport, one of the reasons why you have that. This has stopped every airline, to be frank, just wanting to fly into Mascot and nowhere else. That's why you have those agreements, that's why you have gateway airports and why you expand it around, and having spent six years on these things, I am very confident, and we will be directly involved, be very clear, our government will be directly involved in encouraging, and we are already, and I can see airlines in our region, but also the European, North American markets, etc. all providing for a massive increase. I think this is going to be far more successful than anyone envisages in the commentariat, and I'm very, very confident about that, that in five years' time, if you invite me back, if I'm still here, you know all of that in whatever capacity, then you know I think we'll be talking about, well, didn't we underestimate just how significant a driver of economic growth this airport is, and how successful it is.
< BROWN: Let's quickly go to the other one you mentioned, high-speed rail. You heard me speak before about the current plan IA has endorsed, and you're spending money to prove up, prudently, Newcastle-Gosford-Central and then hopefully on to Parramatta and the airport beyond. Is it possible that, as we gave you two options in the airport report, Wilton and Badgerys, can you maybe have your agency say bring us a closer look at either a straight to Parramatta and use the West Metro development or to Central and beyond. I am worried that when eventually you do leave the building in about 15 years’ time, your heirs and successors might say, “hey, how Albo got it to Central, but there's no money to do a third line from Central to Parramatta,” and we get left behind. Can we please ask for a look at both of them, and then you guys make a decision?
< PRIME MINISTER: Well, they have looked and they’ll continue to engage as part of this. One of the things we're doing here is learning some of the lessons of – you raised Inland Rail. Inland Rail shouldn't have been taken that literally. It literally. It literally does not go to a port anywhere, and was massively, by a tune of eight times the cost overruns. And the planning simply wasn't done. And there's still no clear plan of how it gets through Acacia Ridge in Brisbane to a port. The whole idea there's double-decker trains, which can't really work through tunnelling and all of that. So, that's just a mess. So, what we did was make a difficult decision to say, you know, we're going to take it to Parkes, which will open up the East-West Corridor, as in big East-West, the WA right through to the East Coast and continue it on through down to Melbourne. When it comes to high-speed rail, we're spending – we did an initial study, we've committed I think around about $660 million to make sure it's got absolutely right. And there's no doubt that that's where the patronage figures are the reason why Newcastle-Sydney is a starting point, and you can argue Newcastle-Parramatta, similarly, is what is the patronage figures that along that corridor that also boost up because of the growth in the Central Coast as well, all the way up, it will just transform, and then you want it to go south to Melbourne.
We know Sydney and Melbourne has been usually at the top four air routes in the world, Sydney and Brisbane usually in the top ten as well. There is a market there, absolutely. We’re working with the State Government. It’s all our money at this stage. But to get the planning right to make sure that it does work, and like a whole lot of new technologies as well. Over a period of time the technology not only gets better, it gets cheaper, and that is what we’ve seen with high-speed rail. So, I’m very confident. Jennifer has sat on the High-Speed Rail Authority we had off and running with the late great Tim Fischer and others as well back in 2013, it got knocked off, just like we should remember that the first sod was turned on Badgerys Creek Airport back in the Hawke Government –
< BROWN: With Bob Collins -
< PRIME MINISTER: With Bob Collins, and it got stopped, and then the Howard Government took all the money out, and that's when the opposition to the airport really rose up. But now, I can't find an opponent to the airport now, and that stands in stark contrast with what I was dealing with when I became Transport Minister.
< BROWN: We've got to get you out to Vitex. We're both going. I mentioned economic strategy. You're going over to the old Wonderland to launch all the great new advanced manufacturing facilities straight away. Jennifer is already there and I'm going with you. Quickly, one thing you and Ned would be on the unity ticket for is that Pauline Hanson and Barnaby say One Nation’s coming for Western Sydney. When you and most of us get up at four o’clock tomorrow morning and celebrate pure Australian multiculturalism with the Socceroos, of all hues, Australians of all colours and races who wear that green and gold, does that make a farce of the concept that we need to be a monocultural nation?
< PRIME MINISTER: It makes a farce just of a reality. Australia is who we are, and that debate, it's never been real. There were four hundred First Nations in this country with different languages, with some commonalities, like the Welcome to Country for something that was about welcoming people who were travelling across. First Fleet had Catholics, Protestants, Jews. Had people in chains and people in charge -
< BROWN: My rellies -
< PRIME MINISTER: Of the people in chains. We're a multicultural nation. It’s who we are, and you know what? We should celebrate. The Socceroos show that, and the pride. You know, you’ve got a Prime Minister who’s father was Italian. You’ve got Penny Wong as our Senate leader, who was born in Malaysia. And a Mayor of Lebanese origin. You know, we're all proud Australians. All of us. That's what unites us. And the thing that a forum like this should recognise as well, and I'm sure does, one of the great assets of Western Sydney is our human capital, it's the diaspora, it's the connections with everywhere in the world. And that's what makes it easier to do business. That's what makes it easier to be respected. I mean, during the recent crisis caused by a war in which we’re not protagonists, on the other side of the world, that had an impact on whether there would be fuel to get goods on the supermarket shelves, and that had an impact on global inflation. And where people in politics, including Barnaby Joyce, was calling for, saying that there would need to be rationing of fuel in Australia before Easter. That was the call. Can you imagine a Pauline Hanson or the chaotic conglomeration that sits opposite us going into Asia and saying we need support from Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, China, for jet fuel, Japan and South Korea. I reckon they probably remember what she has said about them, and that's just one of the reasons why you know our engagement, who we are, is a plus for us, we should be proud of it, and we should celebrate it, just as we'll celebrate every Socceroo, whether their name is Irankunda or Irvine, they're all just proud to be representing our country, but they're also proud of who they are.
< BROWN: Before we get to [inaudible] or your security tackles me, are the Socceroos going to win over the weekend, tomorrow?
< PRIME MINISTER: Obviously.
< BROWN: And when do we get the public holiday? Do we have to win the whole lot or is the quarterfinals enough?
< PRIME MINISTER: Oh, look -
< BROWN: Paraguay got it for getting to the last -
< PRIME MINISTER: We'll see how we go.< I don't want to denigrate any country, so good luck in Paraguay. I reckon there's businesses in this room might object -
< BROWN: I like the old Albo, you'd have given us a public holiday -
< PRIME MINISTER: I did that, and if the Deputy Premier can shut her ears for a minute here. The truth is that public holidays are completely determined by State Governments. How do I know that? Because I declared a public holiday unilaterally when Queen Elizabeth passed away, and the State Governments eventually came on board, but it was pointed out to me then that actually wasn't my responsibility. So, I don't want to throw a hand pass to Prue or to, I'll see Chris Minns in a little while. But I reckon if we win the World Cup, we might give everyone a week.
< BROWN: You beauty. Ladies and gentlemen, please thank the Prime Minister.